Curse

DJ Josh · Apr 03, 2006, 10:53 PM // 22:53

couple of side notes.

1)incase my post makes it seem like i'm defending my own actions,i'm not as i don't use either,i just can't be bothered wasting my time selling stuff anymore.at least not till factions when the market gets refreshed until then i'm the merchents best friend.

2)from my long experiance in-game i see the normal chat mostly being arguments and fightin talk and in some cases even worse,what with racism/newbism and sexism, but what the hell if those are the type of people you want to befriend then who am i to judge.myself though i'll stick with making friends by actualy playing with them and slowly getting to no them while missioning or questing or even on the odd killfest.nothing better to get to know someone in a game than playing that game with them.

the only thing i see this issue affecting is the p&p rp'ers who seem to do there thing in guild or team talk or just find an empty district to play in.

DJ Josh · Apr 03, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

@teklord.

p/k=the pot calling the kettle black(just a very old saying)

you are,from what i see,saying that if someone states there dislikes in these forums,under the pretence that people will agree with them,they have no right to do so when you are doing the same thing.and floplag is saying on 1 hand that they have the right to say what they want where they want in a thread they made to stop people doing that very same thing.

floplag · Apr 03, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

ok DJ .. how do you actually meet these people or set up the groups then ? if not in the ..gasp.. main chat channel ? between all the WTB/WTS of course ? or do you only play with guildies ?

and as to your p/k comment, thats silly. heres the difference .. this isa public forum designed to let people voice ideas and opinions regarding the game .. the other is a chat channel in game designed to facilitate getting groups together and playing the game... and there is a wonderful alternative to this called the trade channel

rather than pot/kettle, seems more like apples oranges on your part

if i were criticizing traders for using white chat and doing the same, then you can accuse me of pot/kettle, till then your talking both sides of a non existent position

DJ Josh · Apr 03, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

wait i just had a great idea.

lets all phone the tv commision and demand a new channel for all comercials so they don't have to break up our fav shows and movies with crap most of us will never buy.

sorry mods if that was o.t.t but to me it ammounts to the same thing.

floplag · Apr 03, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

sure, if im watching a movie on the public networks, which is why i watch mine on CABLE.. get it, different channel... that has no commercials !

it isnt the same, sorry you dont see the crux of it, but taking it out on a wild goose chance tangent doesnt change the reality

DJ Josh · Apr 03, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

chat was designed for chat later trade got added at the request of a few people.some follow change some get stuck in the mud and others follow 1 or the other.as it stands impo it does not affect my game-play in the slightest as i don't have trouble reading what i'm looking for and if i miss it well thats why you can scroll up.i just don't understand why people would waste so much time trying to change what such a large # of people do to sell there wares its advertising in the best spot possible.and a lot of potential buyers/sellers will miss stuff in trade because it doesn't stand out as much.if you want to make a worthwhile thread on the chat problem then,again impo,it should be something that does NEED change like the constant lines of profanity and abuse.aswell as the sexual stuff,which in no way offends me but people seem to forget sometimes that young kids play this game aswell.

but i have wasted enougth time on this subject so i'm off to enjoy the game.

TheMosesPHD · Apr 03, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by floplag

gee Moses, glad to see your in such a good mood .. did i hit a nerve or something ?

yeah, i guess im out of line expecting people to follow the games guidelines, WTF was i thinking .. i mean im sure the trade channel was put there for nothing

if its all the same to you, i think ill speak my own mind when and where i please .. dont like it.. get a life, and move on

What, did I sound angry? I'm just stating the facts. One of the facts is that this topic has been complained about 500 times, and has it achieved anything? Yes actually, it has. The purpose of all the complaints was to get Anet to change the way in game trading works. So they are. Now they are working to create a better trading system. As fast as they can, they are working to get a better auction system up and running and available to the public. So then, those previous posts served a purpose because they happened before something was being done about the problem. Your post, however, has no point, because nothing can be achieved by complaining any further. It's like mumbling around the house, complaining that the yard needs to be mowed while your kid is out there in the process of mowing it. Why would anyone do that?
"if its all the same to you, i think ill speak my own mind when and where i please .. dont like it.. get a life, and move on"
And of course I love this pointless statement that ppl like to throw out when I criticize them. Of course, feel free to speak your mind. Who said you can't? But who said I can't come in and speak my mind as well? "It's just your opinion Moses!" Yes of course it is, thx for stating the obvious...

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Originally Posted by Teklord

Comments like this are right up there with "The storyline sucks so why watch cutscenes!" etc etc, the list goes on forever.

Some people enjoy meeting new people online to game with. In order to do this a very important element is required - Communication! There must be a method in place to facilitate this need for 'communiation'. And look at that, can you just imagine that perhaps this is what the "Chat Channels" might be for? As mentioned, the trade channel was put there with a purpose. There is no excuse for that spam in the 'All' channel.

I just love people that think something 'sucks' or whatever, and believe everyone else should think the same thing. Yep, nothing important happens in the all channel, nothing at all. Move along.

Oh, sorry sir. I didn't know you were a robot. Let me teach you a few things about how we human beings communicate. Lesson one, when a human states an absolute out loud or in a piece of writing, such as in sentences including the words; never, always, nothing, or everything, it is generally understood among other human beings that when a speaker states that something is "absolute" that in reality cannot be proven to be truly 100% absolute, the listener/reader is capable of understanding that the speaker has just used a tool called a "generalization" in order to shorten communication time. Humans have the ability to generalize certain thoughts because we all share a "general understanding", known also as "common sense", where, on certain levels, all humans think in the same way, allowing us to connect our thoughts without having to spend excess time referencing to the common grounds of understanding that the majority of the human race is either born with, or have been infused with by their respective societies.
When I say "nothing important is ever said in local chat", one should be able to understand that I am shortening communication time so I won't have to type out in it's place:

"For the most part, what is said in local chat is usually not important. Though communication itself is quite an important factor in the human experience, from day to day, whether in a chat room, forum, classroom, or any other common methods of human communication, most of the individual ideas communicated by such means are not important, or in other words: the ideas are not vital or necessary pieces of information that effect the long term outcome of ones overall life experience. Of course, it can be noted that there is always the chance that ideas deemed as vital or necessary to the growth of a human being can occur within these common methods. However, the majority of the ideas expressed are not vital, though they may entertain, provoke, or otherwise stimulate the human mind in either a healthy or harmful way, do not effect the overall growth, and are therefore can be justifiably deemed as "not important"."

If no one read what I posted above, I can't blame you. It was unnecessarily long. Basically though, floplag, you need to get over it because it's not helping anything or anyone to keep complaining about the people that don't use the trade channel. And Teklord, you totally took my statement off onto your own tangent. Please don't use my statements as a gateway for coming in and expressing your opinions about things that are only loosely, if even, related to what I was talking about. I never said anything about skipping cutscenes but you were still hanging out on that topic in your next post...

Teklord · Apr 04, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

Very well then, I'll keep this short.

So what you are saying is that you didn't mean what you actually said in the line about "nothing important is ever said in local chat". I was just supposed to telepathically figure out what you meant. I understand.

I never mentioned "skipping" cutscenes. I stated that some people believe the storyline is crap, and they make blanket statements in threads (like the one about cutscenes) assuming everyone thinks the same way. Much like how I interpreted the line "nothing important is ever said in local chat" as such a blanket statement. I was using it as a similar example to illustrate my point. Never forget that what is 'said' in the Internet is judged by the reader's interpretation, not the sender's intent.

About the p/k statement up top. I can surely understand where one gets that viewpoint. However I don't view the statements I made as someone showing their own personal dislike, they way they write it they make it seems like this is what everyone should think. People are more than free to say that the that local chat is useless... so long as they don't blanket that phrase with "so just mute it / turn it off that will solve your problem". That second part changes it from their personal opinion to an "I think this, so you should think this too" statement.

I think I've said what I wanted to say here in such as way as it (hopefully) gets across.

Celios · Apr 04, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

Spamming local chat works on the same principle that virtually any modern-day advertising does: use any means necessary to expose your product. It's like spam; 95% of the world hates it, but, due to the sheer number of people hit, that 5% that buys something makes it very cost effective.

ANET should just filter any local chat including the terms WTB, WTS, buy, sell, etc and move them automatically over to the trade one until people learn.

Spammers will keep at it till you shut them down. Asking just won't work.

floplag · Apr 04, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

agreed, asking wont work, thus the request that it be ignored. if ANet wont stop it, we should. frankly im quite sure that it will not be, but.. i felt the need to voice my opinion

guess i struck a nerve with a few, oh well

TheMosesPHD · Apr 04, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Teklord

Very well then, I'll keep this short.

So what you are saying is that you didn't mean what you actually said in the line about "nothing important is ever said in local chat". I was just supposed to telepathically figure out what you meant. I understand.

I'm not really sure how to explain it if you didn't understand my explanation. If someone said "Catch" to you, everyone knows that it means they're either tossing something at you, or trying to make you think they're tossing something at you. It's a common phrase. People saying "always" when they mean "most of the time" is quite common as well. You speak like this is some strange thing you've never encountered. What is it that makes you think that things said in local chat are important. I've already gone into how communication itself is important and nice but at the same time you don't need to read the things that are said in local chat. And since you don't need to read everything in local chat, I don't see why there is anything wrong with muting the local chat when you encounter a district with chat that annoys you. Which is the only thing I was saying in my original post. How am I wrong saying that most of the time what is said in local chat is not important?

Lord Iowerth · Apr 04, 2006, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD

most of the time what is said in local chat is not important

Quoted for truth. Unless i'm looking for a group, looking to buy something, or just really REALLY bored: I leave it off completely.

If it's not someone WTB/WTS'ing the channel with spam messages in the busy trade districts, it's the absolute random ingnorant "zomg ur so stoopid, mending is the w1n!111!!" measuring arguments between two wammos in random arena.

Periodically, I see something moderately intelligent said, but it's a rarity. Most of the smart folks know when to say something, and when to just walk by ... it's the old addage "It's better to stay silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt."

DJ Josh · Apr 04, 2006, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by floplag

ok DJ .. how do you actually meet these people or set up the groups then ? if not in the ..gasp.. main chat channel ? between all the WTB/WTS of course ? or do you only play with guildies ?

and as to your p/k comment, thats silly. heres the difference .. this isa public forum designed to let people voice ideas and opinions regarding the game .. the other is a chat channel in game designed to facilitate getting groups together and playing the game... and there is a wonderful alternative to this called the trade channel

rather than pot/kettle, seems more like apples oranges on your part

if i were criticizing traders for using white chat and doing the same, then you can accuse me of pot/kettle, till then your talking both sides of a non existent position

yes i use chat to find groups which i find very easy as you just look for lines begining with lfg/lfp/glf etc.also you got the p/k statement because the threads in the main channels are ment to have some use other than letting you spam your oppinion on a dead subject.how is it dead you may ask,simple how many times does moses have to repeat that this is old news which has been in the fix process for quite some time and i think we may get to see that fix fairly soon(not a definitive statement).for further proof almost every time gaile visits the game at least 1 person asks her how close they are to adding the auction house.also had a nice laugh rereading some of your attempts at a come back,a/o sorry i'm more of a grape person if you understand my meaning,and does a none existent position have any sides?i assume your talking dark matter here in which case it has no pre-dettermined shape.

AeroLion · Apr 04, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34

My opinion is that this wouldn't occur (or at least be vastly diminished) if there was a better trade system. To go along with what Celios said, right now our system is one that encourages a "grab the most eyeballs" method. What we need is something that encourages a more target oriented system. More like Person A is looking for a necro wand and Person B wants to sell a necro wand and our system should make it easy for A and B to come together.

Easier anyway.

Dawgboy · Apr 04, 2006, 09:33 AM // 09:33

Someone mentioned to stay out of LA1 if you don't like spam. Funny. Spam is everywhere-there's just less of it where there's less people,obviously.

I was at the frontier gate with only 5 other players around and one of them was spamming "WTS" every 30 seconds. I didn't know whether to laugh at the fool or be annoyed, so I just stood in front of him and /taunted every time he spammed.

Ken Dei · Apr 05, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

A thought: Make "trade" channel the new ALL chat. Then when the spammers come back to trade channel, we switch to ALL again, and back and forth.

Jessyi · Apr 05, 2006, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by AeroLion

My opinion is that this wouldn't occur (or at least be vastly diminished) if there was a better trade system. To go along with what Celios said, right now our system is one that encourages a "grab the most eyeballs" method. What we need is something that encourages a more target oriented system. More like Person A is looking for a necro wand and Person B wants to sell a necro wand and our system should make it easy for A and B to come together.

Easier anyway.

You mean like some kind of an auction system? Interesting...interesting...I thought of it first!

...

Anyways, I'm pretty sure there are like, 2, maybe 3 quests in LA that are easily henchable, and only 2 in droks (the 15 point attrib quest, and the primary one that takes you to the first mission point). I never needed to make a group in these towns. And to whoever (I can't be bothered to scroll) said something to the effect of "people might make friends in the all chat"...well, I certainly never have. Everyone I met, I met on missions.

Conclusion? Remove the checkmark from the little boxes next to the "all" and "trade" chats. Expecting people to use the "all" chat as though it were a chatroom is unreasonable. That's why we have real, actual, chatrooms. Hell, this site even has one. Interesting...interesting...

-Jessyi

Mavrik · Apr 05, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49

I have trade and general chat turned off. Its at the point right now were its odd there even is a trade channel...

Don Zardeone · Apr 05, 2006, 04:21 AM // 04:21

in droks international:
general chat = trade chat
trade chat = general chat

Seeing how the pro farmers are faster than most people, all the other areas and people will follow sooner or later.

This means that in a few weeks, we will be using LFP in trade chat while trying to sell our crap in general.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Taphoo · May 03, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Since I DO use the main channel to create PUGS. I generally prefer to adventure with humans then rather then henchies - my Monk being built as a support character.
I pasted my question and their response below - and it sounds like I'm SOL. I will reread the EULA and start sending Anet lots of spam screen shots though - since these people are ruining my game, I might as well do the same back.

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Customer (Tycho Granville) 05/02/2006 02:34 PM
Greetings -
Are there any plans to get the traders back in to their own channels? At this point they have flooded the local channels so badly that in some places it is impossible to put together a team to actually play the game!
Thank you,

Tycho Granville
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Hello Tycho,

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support about this.

We encourage you to consider posting your suggestions on one of many of the Guild Wars Fansite message boards. A compiled list can be found on the official Guild Wars web site at http://www.guildwars.com/community/fansites/. By posting on one of these message boards, other players can comment on your ideas, concerns, and suggestions, and Development Team members are able to catch up on what the community wants to see in Guild Wars. Fansite forums make it easy and efficient for us to learn from those playing the game.

Thank you for your efforts in assisting us to make Guild Wars the best gaming experience possible.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team